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Shmuel Halevi
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 15:26:   


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Now, if we are on riddles, let me ask you one (and of course the rest
of the forum): Does Yin Qi ascend or descend in the body? We
know that by symptoms Yin is heavier and accumulates downward and
Yang, which is lighter - ascends. Yet, Yin Qi arises from below
(earth) and ascends upward, I.e.: kidney, liver, spleen meridians,
etc. How come?



This was a question posted by me on the Yahoo newsgroup of acupuncture on the 8th of Dec. 2003. I thought both the "riddle", which started a very lively discussion there, as well as the answer, may be quoted here in this forum too, for the benefit of the members.
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Shmuel Halevi
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 15:40:   

...and the answer was:

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I have to admit, it has been really stimulating to read all your
comments about this (as some have mentioned) perplexing puzzler that students often raise. Yet, some of you kind of "palpated" the
answer, many of you seem to have grasped the nature of the so-to-speak contradiction in the conception of Yin and Yang movements. In
my opinion, practitioners who have spent many many yaers in the practical aspect of acupuncture/Chinese medicine, may need sometimes stimulating theoretical/philosophical riddle that will drive them back to the core of the understanding of what they are doing in
their clinics... Such was the lovely riddle of Dr. Holmes about the tears, and it seems that this riddle too raised a lively discussion.

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As I hinted in my previous post, the answer to this contradiction lies in the state of Yin and Yang when you examine their relative movements. When Yin and Yang separate, i.e. in death, Yin moves down to stillness, to the ground. Yang Qi, on the other hand, moves upward - to heaven. As you can see, they both go back to their source. When there is equilibrium between Yin and Yang, in a state of health, Yin moves upward (from earth to heaven) and Yang descends in the body (from heaven to earth). Thus, their antagonistic
movements circulate and activate one another to permit life and creation. We can see this phenomenon in physiology when K.Yin ascends to nourish the heart Yin and blood, when liver Yin ascends to nourish the eyes, when K.+Sp. Yang descend to perform the Yun-Hua task of transformation/transportation or to separate budy fluids, the turbid from the pure, etc. When dis-equilibrium commences (the starting of a separation between Yin and Yang), these movements turn over. Liver Yang rises, St. Yang rises and causes heartburn or nausea, K. Yin pours downwars and causes edema, leg Qi, etc., or H. Yang goes up to cause red face, tachycardia, or a splitting headache. This hange in the proper direction of Yin or Yang Qi in a
state of harmonious circulation is termed in T.C.M.: rebellious Qi.
To conclude, in a state of health (peace) Yin Qi goes upward in the body and in a state of illness (war) Yin Qi moves down. This separation process is the beginning of death, where Yin Qi declines and moves back to its source - to earth.

With kind regards to all of you, Shmuel.


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Tom Flint
Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 12:48:   

And I, Shmuel, would like to pose another question. Does Yin go the left side in the body or to the right side? I have seen various ideas concerning this question and it really puzzles me. Tom.
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Shmuel Halevi
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 12:27:   

Hi Tom. This is really a subject for historical v. philosophical v. physical investigation. The classics do have contradicting opinions on this question. Some say the left side is Yin and the right side Yang, and some say the opposite. In the Nan Jing, for instance, the right kidney is mentioned as the source of kidney Yang, or Ming Men. Later commentators, though, insist that the Ming Men (kidney Yang) reside in between the two kidneys and none of the kidneys is attributed to either Yin or Yang functioning exclusively. In my practice, I very often encounter Yang type problems usually on the left side of the body, while Yin-nature problems usually appear on the right side. But, on the other hand, one may say that excessive Yang problems tend to manifest mainly on the Yin side of the body as excessive Yang pours into the Yin and v.v.
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Shmuel Halevi
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 12:31:   

Again from the http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Traditional_Chinese_Medicine/messages

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As could be predicted, some of the forum members find interest in
further clarifying this topic. One of you, has sent me an Email
asking a very good question concerning this subject, a question
which poses a more intricate dilema in the Yin/Yang movements issue.
I'd be vey happy to hear your opinions in resolving his question
(rephrased):
"...Despite the explanation of the Yin Yang movements in the body,
there is the topic of the ascent of the Clear Yang to the head. So,
if Yang generally descends (as we have explained) how come there is
such an important topic in T.C.M. of the ascent of the Clear Yang
Qi?"
Well, before answering him, I wonder what the forum members can
clarify on this very beautiful question.


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Shmuel Halevi
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 13:30:   

No answers to this... well, let's see then
We say that in movement and in an equilibrium state with Yin, Yang Qi decends in the body. In separation, Yang floats up and disconnects from the Yin of the body. This is a major rule. In order to cause the movement of Yin Qi to nourish the body, Yang starts the energy circulation in the body and activates, Yin, blood, etc. This can be evidenced by the breathing mechanism. Air (Yang Qi mostly) is inhaled inside and downward -despite its physical tendency to float upward. Thus, inhalation puts in motion both Qi and blood.
In spite of this, there are physiological functions of internal organs that produce or create Yang Qi or Yin Qi of their own accord. The spleen produces the so-called Clear Yang whose assigned function is to nourish the brain and the senses. In order to do so, it must be transmitted upward. Being of a specific designation such as this, it was termed in T.C.M. theory "The Clear Yang" hinting at its light and distilled energetical nature. It goes without saying that in malfunctioning of the spleen, usually of an excessive dampness nature, this Clear Yang gets heavier and is unable to float upward. The symptoms involved are: dizziness, a muddled thinking and disturbances of the senory organs.
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Esther Chambers
Username: Esther

Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 11:31:   

Hello,

I am a massage therapy recent graduate studying for the National Certification Exam. There will be a number of questions relating to TCM on the exam. I am trying to understand the difference between a comment that I read that says that Yin qi ascends. I am confused by the statements that Yin is heavier and accumulated downward yet Yin Qi arises from below and ascends upward.


quote:

"Now, if we are on riddles, let me ask you one (and of course the rest
of the forum): Does Yin Qi ascend or descend in the body? We
know that by symptoms Yin is heavier and accumulates downward and
Yang, which is lighter - ascends. Yet, Yin Qi arises from below
(earth) and ascends upward, I.e.: kidney, liver, spleen meridians,
etc. How come?"



I am studying the meridians and am a bit confused about which ones are ascending and which ones are descending.

I am also learning about the relationship between Yin and Yang and the Five Elements.

I thought you might be able to shed some light on my confusion.

Thank you in advance.

Esther
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Esther Chambers
Username: Esther

Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 11:50:   

Thank you to everyone in advance for your insights into understanding the directional flow of Qi.

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Shmuel Halevi
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 13:34:   

Hi Esther. If you read the posts above, you may have at least a partial answer to your question. In any case, the classics state that Yin qi comes from the earth and travels upward in the meridians, whilst Yang qi comes from heaven and travels downward. This relates to the flow of qi in the meridians
For instance: the colon meridian is Yang (a Fu organ). Its qi flows from the second finger to the head, meets with its counterpart of the yangming system i.e. the stomach meridian (also Yang) which flows down to the foot.
The kidney meridian (a Yin) embarks its journey from the foot in an upward direction to the chest. This is the order by which Yin and Yang travel within the meridian system.
Yet, in physiological activity of the energy inside the body, as you have mentioned, Yang qi tends to move upward and outside, while the opposite occurrs to Yin qi. As an example, the Yang qi of the stomach floats to the head, whilst the Yin qi of the kidneys and digestive system (i.e., the turbid water and residues of digested food) sink to the bladder and the colon. You need to understand the difference between the circulation of Qi within the meridian system which is a (more or less) closed system, to the physiological activities of Yin and Yang in relation to the organ (Zang & Fu) system.
Hope this is clearer now.
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Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan

Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 13:32:   

Can I give you a somethig here.
In man 2 energies meet and are blended, but another five are present. The energy of heaven (psyche) interacts with the energy of earth (somea) The interaction of these energies precipitate the five solid and six hollow organs, the twelve meridians and the 365 points used in Traditional Chinese Acupuncture. The stimulation or sedation of these points regulate and adjust the internal environment of the body and allows the soul a fuller self expression and experience of life.

Yin moves upward, stimulated by the yang within, toward it's polar opposite, the yang. Likewise the Yand, stimulated by the yin within will move downward.

Here is the intersting question, how does consciousness feature in this movement of the life force?

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