|Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 08:07: |
How long in your experience is good to keep the needles in place when the desired outcome is to get a tonifying effect? I have read from some sources that about 15 minutes is the maximum time for tonification. But I have visited a ch.med. practitioner (for stress and tiredness) and he has just tried to give me general tonification (he has used points like st44, sp6, ren4, kid3, h7 and maybe few others) and every time he has kept the needles in about 30minutes. Of course each individual is different, but could this be too long time? I'm asking because I kind of felt that way last time I visited (I was very tired the remaining day and next day a little too). I'm going to bring this up with him the next time I visit, but it would be nice to get other opinions too..
|Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 16:51: |
The duration of time retaining the needles is only one factor in the tonifying/ dispersing question. It is true that longer retention of needles tends to sedate the patient, but not always. More important, is the way you manipulate the needles as well as the choice of points. St-44 neiting, for instance, is most often used for dispersal rather than tonification. H-7 Shenmen, may be used for both objectives, depending on the manipulation technique that you choose to use for that treatment. In general, though, shorter durations of retention are more suitable for tonifying, depending, as said above, on your hand technique and the choice of points.
|Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 21:06: |
Actually I the stomach point I meant was Zusanli, I just remembered the number wrongly. Isn't that point more of a general tonification point? And also, from some sources I've read that using more than 8 needles is also a sedating technique. What is your experience on this issue? Is this also dependent on needling technique?
|Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 17:19: |
Zusanli may be used both for tonification and sedation, depending on the type of needling manipulation that you choose.
There is no connection between the number of needles that you choose to the question of sedation or tonification. You may use 16 needles if you wish, and apply tonification techniques to some of them, while sedating the other points. If you do not wish to manipulate the needles, you may choose very fine needles for the tonifying purpose, and insert them in the direction of the Qi flow in the meridian. For sedation, choose much thicker needles and insert them in an opposite direction to the flow of Qi. That would be the easiest way to achieve a tonifying effect or sedation.